], NEIL WILLIAMS: I can't remember if Viola said it or it was said at a lecture. She gotit was the height of making those big men, and they were enormous. Access to the entire audio recording is restricted. Summary: An interview with Neil N. Williams conducted 2014 June 5-6, by Mija Riedel, for the Archives of American Art's Viola Frey Oral History Project, at William's home and studio in Auburn, California. NEIL WILLIAMS: There'sit's like, and then one of my brother says, "Hey, I saw your piece in a show in the de Young Museum." Right. MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. 0000001707 00000 n Not just everyone who wanted to grab her once they saw this incredible cache of artwork in her backyard. MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You should just leave him alone, he's a good painter." NEIL WILLIAMS: And, when he was on his deathbed years ago, I was fortunate enough to go and be able to take, help care for him for a couple of months. NEIL WILLIAMS: And, I alwaysI mean, she was brave. ", Mike Etheridge - Associate Creative Director, "Neil Williams is a talented Head of Copy. MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. And Squeak said it really well, too. Andbut hetheir relationship was real unusual. And at the same time, we look at so many great artists, and they wereit wastheir big contribution was absolutely they were on the edge. NEIL WILLIAMS: Normally, I tend to edit, I think, tonot that I'm"PC" is my, you know, my forerunning concern in life, but I try and be respectful and not hurt anyone's feelings. WebNeil Callan form, results and upcoming races. But at the same time, I try and push it a little bit each time so that theyI mean, I'm going to obliterate the image completely but, like I said, it has to stay alive and interesting. And I would know, for some reason, what she was talking about and then I would pick it up. But they clustered them, so they morphed together and they were honeycombed together, in multiple, NEIL WILLIAMS: In Auburn, yeah. Those kinds of things you want toyou knowwho do you turn to say, "This is not fair." MIJA RIEDEL: It's so funny because Rena just told the story very similar to that, it was the same conversation, Shaw and Arneson, I can't remember who she thought made the comment. NEIL WILLIAMS: In their work, and inalso, in them as human beings. But the lack of detail in thatthe simplicity of it just being this eruption of massive form and color, right in your face. Viola wasliked to be in control. MIJA RIEDEL: Real architectural quality, too. NEIL WILLIAMS: And part of that also is thatI don't know if it's intentional, but I don't see a lot of knock-offs or copying, because, and it can't be molded. Gosh, who was there then, [Vernon] Coykendall, NEIL WILLIAMS: Boy, I can't think of who else was then. You know, "The pots aren't art." NEIL WILLIAMS: And I thought that that was a great example of what could drive an artist to greatness and to madness. They go to social media, or they go to people who dont believe in the Church and that can totally destroy their faith. MIJA RIEDEL: What did she look for, Neil? Analytics cookies help website owners to understand how visitors interact with websites by collecting and reporting information anonymously. Iat a certain point, I just accepted the fact that I am going to have to do that accept of it all, in order to survive. That was interestingthat was, I forget the writertalked about perception, conception, and practice. Many trials come not because of anything an individual did or didnt do. MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. MIJA RIEDEL: You went along on those trips? And they said, "Ah, I've decided I'm going to be a painter." So it was a completely different sense. Millions of dollars in painting. Finally, where do you see your work fitting into contemporary art? And him and his friend, during a drunk night and dinner, conceived of them. NEIL WILLIAMS: I try not to do commissions. ", MIJA RIEDEL: I actually had a question about that, too. Then there's a series of, like in all of life, a series of people that pass through, and either have an impact or not. Cultures, it's cultural identity and it's human history. If my work can do that, that's all I could hope for. There were some reallya lot of good moments. The temple is something that I have tried to prioritize as my No. Depends on the instructor. NEIL WILLIAMS: [Laughs.] What was your take on that? Okay. NEIL WILLIAMS: She would decide. Duration is 4 hr., 9 min. Well, started off with stencils and brush, and then it went to some of the molds and even some thick-lined Egyptian paste she would make, which would melt and fuse onto it. And he had a really interesting background himself,, being an architect historian, ceramic historian, writer, and friends with the people he knew. Let's talk about some of your early days. ], NEIL WILLIAMS: It's like, "Now, you're just being silly. MIJA RIEDEL: Did you ever have that kind of experience? They were letting you know how magnificent your full-sized ashtray was." I just hope they say I've made nice stuff, and it holds up over time. The interview took place in at Williams' home and studio in Auburn, CA, and was conducted by Mija Riedel for the Archives of American Art, Smithsonian Institution. She always was in it. And he had experience in Japan. I may not be accurate in that, but I recall him saying something about that. But there was also something veryresolved about it too. 0000020598 00000 n Did she encourage you? Talking about Marquez and. I know you said you don't normally do commissions, and you don't like them, and there are multiple reasons for that, but you did do one in 1986 for the LA County Museum? MIJA RIEDEL: Now, would you describe your childhood? NEIL WILLIAMS: a composition, the clarity of image, the figure groundwork in the paintings and the charcoal, or the pastels. MIJA RIEDEL: You were working at the studio though, right? And I hope it doesn't lose its edge because of that, but I mean, it couldalways seek something out, some kind ofbring up the saboteur again, and get it edgy and screw up some things, andbutso the inspiration, I think, has not so much been external, but it's getting to be more of an internal, peaceful feeling about my life and it's making more sense. She'd work anybody under the table. In the meantime, she was producing stuff like crazy. I have revived an iconic British Sports Car brand, rebranded an airline with Nicole Kidman's help, tackled the threat of terrorism, revamped a leading sports broadcaster, and created one of the UK's most successful Drink Drive campaigns. She would buy them outright. flowing cadenza Following the retirement of his trainer, he adapted to the change of scenery, finishing with a second at the course and an easy win at Hereford. NEIL WILLIAMS: No, it's been nice. ", NEIL WILLIAMS: But it's an intoxicant, like we had talked about it. And will be dearly missed by family, friends, and everyone. NEIL WILLIAMS: She was sharing a private aspect of a life that celebrated color and form and figure images. Unclassified cookies are cookies that we are in the process of classifying, together with the providers of individual cookies. And they will all attach different words to try and describe their experiences with that stone. . Some cookies are placed by third party services that appear on our pages. Statistics based on race type and more.. Rhys Williams Tips. MIJA RIEDEL: Now were you the only assistant at the time, Neil? There was a symbol of power to her, the man in the suit. NEIL WILLIAMS: No, no. MIJA RIEDEL: and you talked about how instrumental Rena was to Viola's career, what a difference her arrival in Viola's life seemed to make to getting her work out there. ", NEIL WILLIAMS: So I was her first assistant which was really, MIJA RIEDEL: So, you graduated high school. He said, "Cezanne's apples on the table have always done that for me. . You know, called out of the blue. We were going to continue the conversation about community with a couple other friends. NEIL WILLIAMS: Ah, there's the hidden gem right there. MIJA RIEDEL: It's interesting since we've talked briefly and we'll talk quite a bit more about this going back and forth between two and 3D. And Viola finally just said, "Let's play with clay", MIJA RIEDEL: and took out the clay, and they all just sat there at the kitchen table, MIJA RIEDEL: working with clay. NEIL WILLIAMS: But it's evolved slowly. I mean, Jason Rhoades came out of that, another really important artist that you should look into. And he looked, and he said, "Excuse me?" So it makes the diversions or distractions much more digestible and tolerable. kind elderly gentleman spent the whole week hanging these plates, and he would measure each one and try and hang it so that they looked spatially balanced. NEIL WILLIAMS: She's notshe wasn't reallythose kinds of things made her nervous. NEIL WILLIAMS: Even Velazquez and all of those amazingVermeer and all those incredible painters. All information including race fields and TAB numbers should be checked with an official source. She was a little nervous of whether she was going to have that kind of aand I said, "Absolutely, we wouldn't miss it." NEIL WILLIAMS: I always thought they had this beautiful bittersweetness to them. You know, making art and celebrate safely. I consent to the use of following cookies: Necessary cookies help make a website usable by enabling basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website. She liked being around the school. They are altered, deconstructed, or shifted into different sections and reattached. MIJA RIEDEL: It's captivating, completely engrossing. In the temple we quietly ponder why we are here upon the earth and the power and glory of our Savior in making our return to our Heavenly Father possible, Elder Andersen said. MR] From what you're saying, it sounds as if he gave herhe helped her work with words, and a verbal way to think, MIJA RIEDEL: and describe, talk about her work. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh, isn't thatI mean, isn't thatcommon with all of us? MIJA RIEDEL: I think she arrived in '70 or so. I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no, I blame it on Dr. Seuss, that's who I blame it on. Consistent need to tell a story with a number of images that keepkept repeating throughout. MIJA RIEDEL: That's a point worth making, because you haven't had a regular teaching job, you haven't had a regular, MIJA RIEDEL: It doesn't seem like there's a regular production pottery practice either, so. And they're still not quite, know why, but there's an electrochemical in the cells of the heart which causes it to beat. So let's start witha description of this fantastic place that you have. And I never thought of myself as a teacher, as more of a vehicle. ), digital, wav; 101 Pages, Transcript. And he Fed Exes a check for 10 grand overnight to me and scribbles on the back of the envelope, "Make me something beautiful when you get time." NEIL WILLIAMS: But I guess she had to go with it. You know, and I knew Rena was fascinated by her, and intrigued by her because she told me onceshe said that it was so interesting to look back when she was younger and to see how different her and Viola's lives where. Williams was Viola Frey's studio assistant. I remember, I used to read all kinds of stuff. NEIL WILLIAMS: I haven't had a lot of ugly. MIJA RIEDEL: to a more color-filled, abstract painting, and how that came about. MIJA RIEDEL: How were you first exposed to clay? They had an interna volunteer installing her plate collection, and there was, I don't know, 50, 60, 70-something plates. I'm just stubborn, I just get on, I just get on a bone. And so I don't know where it came fromhis Buffalo Soldier, you know, his Native American, Indian, or just his spirituality of knowing that he was there for a higher calling orbut really unique guy, real interesting. They were on the outs. 0000013392 00000 n I've tried to keep it simple so that I don't implode or get too far out there, but I've also tried to keep it logical so that it has some progression, not to an endpoint, because we don't want to do that. ", NEIL WILLIAMS: So there is some childhood playfulness aspect of it, which I think is okay, as long as it's not too light, and as long as it doesn't diminish, I think the effort, or that it's been a life-long body of work. He has the rare ability able to look at any project from a broad perspective and solve the problems that need solving, while always retaining an infectious passion for steering creative work of the highest standard. So, they supported the cost of larger pieces, and then big pairs of columns and such, and we're back to the little cup and saucer again. And if someone else wanted to pick up andat their end, and if they wanted 50 percent of what I do, then they, it would have to be right. So. NEIL WILLIAMS: Certainly, getting to art school and studying art history and going to galleries and museums and seeing the incrediblewhat had comehad already come. She was just sitting in the wheelchair, "No, I'm not going to.". And then we'll move onto the other. MIJA RIEDEL: How about the female figures? Bronze, bronze, bronze.". MR] when you finished your BFA, did you work there five days a week? He said it was so bad. NEIL WILLIAMS: I think that's probably one of the reasons I've kind of like retreated. NEIL WILLIAMS: I always thought the bottom line, Viola just did them because they were flipping fun for her to make. Marketing cookies are used to track visitors across websites. I got to see you. NEIL WILLIAMS: She felt that was a way to start unlocking that and getting things to start flowing and coming out. It's like Ken Ferguson at Kansas City Art Institute was talking aboutone of his lectures washe said, "I always encourage my students to find your"I'm paraphrasing "find your level of skill, go to that level of skill, and then back off about 10 percent, and work in that area because you get the maximum amount in a healthy space without imploding," so to speak. 0000007053 00000 n And she jumped, back and forth, which you may or may not see in her work, but there wasin fact, working for her early on, it was so funny, she was very excitedshe was getting very excited, because so much beautiful work was coming out, she was starting to come out again, not out of the closet, but of out of the backyard. NEIL WILLIAMS: She was in a wheelchair at the time. So, I don't really think about, like, proper gallery representation or anything like that anymore. [Laughs.] NEIL WILLIAMS: And then pace yourself, and realize the relativity of it all. She'd say, "On the thing, on the thing, on the thing, you the thing, the thing, the thing." It would take years to make a little jump in progress, it seemed like. NEIL WILLIAMS: I saw what she was doing, and I got a sense quickly of her rhythm and how she produced groups and clusters of work. Brisbane Jockey Premiership Past Winners Year Winner 2015 Jim Byrne 2014 Michael Cahill 2013 Michael Cahill 2012 Chris Munce 2011 Chris Munce 2010 Stahthi Katsidis 2009 Scott Scriven 2008 You became her assistant in '77? Brown, oldyou know, '60s work. NEIL WILLIAMS: I mean another couple of angels who. NEIL WILLIAMS: The flow, and if she had a group of figures, say she would make a dozen figures in a year, she would be building, say, a pair of them. A Professional theme for architects, construction and interior designers There was something about the big block of color, although there was good color change and wonderful painting in it. She was a member of the Sacramento Symphony. NEIL WILLIAMS: And that happened on occasion. MIJA RIEDEL: Now, would you walk us through her working process, and if it changed over time, or if it stayed fairly constant? NEIL WILLIAMS: There have been lulls, but I've always known it's okay to just keep working through them. There's a certain clarity that happens, or a certain subtle little discovery that seems to make a difference. I wanted to ask you about [. NEIL WILLIAMS: That's mine. Any agency would be lucky to have him. This information is provided for entertainment purposes only. Some people here say, when they see them, "Oh, it's a little mad hatter's teapot." 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NEIL WILLIAMS: And the delight, again, back to the plates and the delight of the plates , no matter what the historians need to say about them, there was a bottom line, just pure delight in making them, just like it was pulling things out of the kiln for the first time. This site uses different types of cookies. NEIL WILLIAMS: You know, trying to be an independent artist is not for the squeamish. Framework To STOP Financial Fraud, Internal Theft, Data And that was my skill thatI mean we all have our saving graces. She wasn'tshe was really good but she wasn't like a gallery dealer. There's athere can be a, MIJA RIEDEL: It starts off feeling so personal. NEIL WILLIAMS: But he's one of our pride and joys, and we still think about him and talk about him a lot. And they always seem to have their rewards. It's loneliness. And Charles walked in one morning and saw these doughnuts in front of her, a big old plate of them. NEIL WILLIAMS: And show sheand I knew there was something extremely special, and I didn't have an art background. And I want to make a contribution. Barry Brand - CEO + FounderYellow Global, [unex_ce_button id="content_f9naucsin" button_text_color="#555555" button_font="bold" button_font_size="15px" button_width="auto" button_alignment="center" button_text_spacing="2px" button_bg_color="#ffffff" button_padding="15px 60px 15px 60px" button_border_width="2px" button_border_color="#5e5e5e" button_border_radius="2px" button_text_hover_color="#ffffff" button_text_spacing_hover="2px" button_bg_hover_color="#000000" button_border_hover_color="#000000" button_link="http://neilwilliams.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Neil-Williams-CV-New.pdf" button_link_type="url" button_link_target="_blank" has_container="1" in_column=""]Download CV[/ce_button], "What a great guy to bounce ideas around with. You react to that or you embrace that object. An amazing colorist. So what it was doingshe pointed it out to meof course I was young and navewell, you'reit's a three-dimensional canvas, because if you cut that out and laid it out flat, you'd have a two-dimensional painting. And, she liked the vessel too, so she stayed. So he was like all over the"What are you doing now?" NEIL WILLIAMS: So, those kinds of things, and mysteries, you know, I like mysteries. There's been somewhat of those golden moments where you kind of go on into a collection and seeing my work next to some other painters, it was just like, "Oh my God, I can't believe," you know. MIJA RIEDEL: And whathowwere they all relatively low fire? NEIL WILLIAMS: Just show it, just slow down and to enjoy the experience, consistent squeezing, andhaving some intent. Because I was 2D at the time. I mean there'sI never wasI've left all of the heavy softcore and hardcore conceptual work for the big boys and girls. I like the challenges, and they don't fall apart becauseagain, art's about experience, and they're based on all of the many, many, many pieces that have fallen apart. We become the children of the covenant, and our souls need the truths of the restored gospel, the priesthood and ordinances that follow, the power of the Book of Mormon, and the safety that comes from prophets and apostles.. And it helps keep me grounded, of course, and itI know what I can count on with them. We had hopes and dreams, and we made plans for our future together.. But they make sense. But, certainly the FBI and everyone else keeps records on it, but they won't release the records ofthe full records of why people disappeared, so many. What do you need to eat? MIJA RIEDEL: Right, because you were there in the studio working side by side so frequently that you could follow those fragments of thought. So, if that gets into a spiritual phenomenon, then that makes sense to me. He is from Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. I mean, we should be very clear. 0000005828 00000 n MIJA RIEDEL: And are they standing still? This interview is part of the Archives of American Art Oral History Program, started in 1958 to document the history of the visual arts in the United States, primarily through interviews with artists, historians, dealers, critics and administrators. NEIL WILLIAMS: consistently. [Laughs.] NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah. NEIL WILLIAMS: It's just that it was slow progress. [Affirmative.] NEIL WILLIAMS: You know, it wasit seemed like a really good fit. Whatever you do, just work hard. Copyright in all R&S materials is owned by Racing and Sports Pty Ltd (R&S). NEIL WILLIAMS: I don't know. There was something not aswasn't as detail-concentrated. So, she was protective of her in a very dignified way. . There's no need to wrap it all up in a nice little bow and put it to bed just yet. 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